{"id":3653,"date":"2019-12-05T08:17:18","date_gmt":"2019-12-05T07:17:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=3653"},"modified":"2019-12-05T08:17:34","modified_gmt":"2019-12-05T07:17:34","slug":"diplomat-jaromir-novotny","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=3653","title":{"rendered":"Diplomat Jarom\u00edr Novotn\u00fd"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\n<strong>Diplomat,\nkter\u00fd p\u0159ivedl \u010cR do NATO: Putin zastavil rozpad Ruska a jeho\nrozkr\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed a m\u00edstn\u00edmi oligarchy. Ot\u00e1zkou je, zda\nse ho nepokus\u00ed sundat<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nAutor:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.euportal.cz\/Authors\/odjinud.aspx\">odjinud<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;Publikov\u00e1no:&nbsp;7.3.2019&nbsp;|&nbsp;Rubrika:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.euportal.cz\/default.aspx?CatId=4\">Rozhovory<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n(nar.1947)\n  \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nBezpe\u010dnostn\u00ed\nexpert, diplomat, o&nbsp;kter\u00e9m se hovo\u0159\u00ed jako o&nbsp;architektovi\nna\u0161eho vstupu do aliance, tedy \u010dlov\u011bku, je\u017e p\u0159ivedl \u010ceskou\nrepubliku do NATO. Pracoval na ministerstvu zahrani\u010d\u00ed, byl\nn\u00e1m\u011bstkem ministra obrany, zodpov\u00eddal za zahrani\u010dn\u00ed mise \u010desk\u00e9\narm\u00e1dy, v\u010detn\u011b \u010ceskoslovensk\u00e9ho praporu v&nbsp;b\u00fdval\u00e9\nJugosl\u00e1vii. Pot\u00e9 bylvelvyslancem v&nbsp;Indii, Banglad\u00e9\u0161i,\nNep\u00e1lu, Sr\u00ed Lance a&nbsp;na Malediv\u00e1ch a&nbsp;v&nbsp;Japonsku.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nV&nbsp;tomto\na&nbsp;tak\u00e9 v&nbsp;p\u0159edchoz\u00edch rozhovorech jsme spolu hovo\u0159ili\no&nbsp;prom\u011bn\u00e1ch Severoatlantick\u00e9 aliance, do kter\u00e9 jsme\nvstupovali s&nbsp;nad\u011bj\u00ed na jasnou z\u00e1ruku bezpe\u010d\u00ed. Pod\u00edvali\njsme se z&nbsp;jin\u00fdch, nejen z&nbsp;mainstreamov\u00fdch \u00fahl\u016f pohledu,\nna v\u00e1lky v&nbsp;S\u00fdrii, Libyi a&nbsp;jinde. A&nbsp;opakovan\u011b jsme\nhovo\u0159ili o&nbsp;vztaz\u00edch Z\u00e1padu s&nbsp;Ruskem. A&nbsp;pr\u00e1v\u011b tomu\nse budeme nyn\u00ed v\u011bnovat je\u0161t\u011b trochu d\u00e1le a&nbsp;hloub\u011bji. Op\u011bt\ns&nbsp;bezpe\u010dnostn\u00edm expertem Jarom\u00edrem Novotn\u00fdm, b\u00fdval\u00fdm\ndiplomatem a&nbsp;str\u016fjcem na\u0161eho vstupu do NATO.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Na\nza\u010d\u00e1tku 90.&nbsp;let se Rusko prakticky zhroutilo. Po&nbsp;v\u0161ech\nstr\u00e1nk\u00e1ch: hospod\u00e1\u0159sky, vojensky, bezpe\u010dnostn\u011b, st\u00e1tn\u00ed moc\np\u0159estala fungovat, ale vztahy se Z\u00e1padem byly tehdy dobr\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Jist\u011b,\nZ\u00e1pad m\u011bl z\u00e1jem na tom, aby se Rusko rozpadlo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>Znamen\u00e1\nto tedy, \u017ee Rusko, kter\u00e9 je nyn\u00ed siln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a&nbsp;nem\u00e1 vnit\u0159n\u00ed\nprobl\u00e9my, je Z\u00e1padu nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nTo je\nlogick\u00e1 \u00favaha.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Jak\u00e1\nje historie? V\u017edy zde byl z\u00e1jem o&nbsp;rusk\u00e9 nerostn\u00e9 suroviny.\nRusko je obrovsk\u00e1 zem\u011b, s&nbsp;obrovsk\u00fdmi z\u00e1sobami nerostn\u00fdch\nzdroj\u016f. U\u017e carsk\u00e9 Rusko bylo nep\u0159\u00edtelem, proto\u017ee m\u011blo velk\u00e9\nnerostn\u00e9 zdroje. A&nbsp;nic se nezm\u011bnilo. Z\u00e1pad cht\u011bl zni\u010dit\na&nbsp;rozd\u011blit carsk\u00e9 Rusko. To se nepovedlo a&nbsp;vznikl\nSov\u011btsk\u00fd svaz. Kdo financoval Lenina? Poslala jej tam n\u011bmeck\u00e1\ntajn\u00e1 slu\u017eba, aby v&nbsp;t\u00e9to zemi vznikl chaos. Rusko se t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159\nrozpadlo, ale p\u0159e\u017eilo, vznikl Sov\u011btsk\u00fd svaz, nastoupil\nkomunismus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nStalin\nbyl opravdu zloduch, miliony lid\u00ed byly v&nbsp;gulaz\u00edch a&nbsp;tak\nd\u00e1le. Ale na za\u010d\u00e1tku 90.&nbsp;let se chopil vl\u00e1dy Jelcin, Rusko\nbylo znovu p\u0159ed rozpadem \u2013 a&nbsp;tak se tleskalo. U\u017e se tiskly\nmince Sibi\u0159sk\u00e9 republiky a&nbsp;Uralsk\u00e9 republiky a&nbsp;jin\u00fdch.\nTak daleko to do\u0161lo. Jelcin p\u0159edal moc Putinovi pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b za\nslib, \u017ee jeho rodin\u011b se nic nestane. A&nbsp;tak\u00e9 nestalo, nikdo\nne\u0161el do v\u011bzen\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nPutin\njako d\u016fstojn\u00edk tajn\u00e9 slu\u017eby, kter\u00fd je zvykl\u00fd jednat, dal Rusko\ndo lat\u011b a&nbsp;zastavil jeho rozpad. To u\u017e se ale nikomu nel\u00edb\u00ed.\nRusko u\u017e nen\u00ed kamar\u00e1d, u\u017e nenasko\u010d\u00ed na v\u0161echny finty, kter\u00e9\ntam byly prov\u00e1d\u011bny. A&nbsp;tak za\u010dali Rusko pro zm\u011bnu rozkr\u00e1dat\noligarchov\u00e9. Putin je pot\u00e9 dal do lat\u011b t\u00edm, \u017ee Chodorkovsk\u00e9ho\nzav\u0159el na deset let \u2013 a&nbsp;ostatn\u00ed utekli na Z\u00e1pad. A&nbsp;te\u010f\nje ot\u00e1zkou, jestli u\u017e jim ne\u0161l\u00e1pl na ku\u0159\u00ed oko moc, jestli se\noligarchov\u00e9 nepokus\u00ed Putina sundat. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee Putin m\u00e1 v&nbsp;hlav\u011b\nv\u0161ech p\u011bt pohromad\u011b a&nbsp;zat\u00edm to zvl\u00e1d\u00e1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Vid\u00edte\nn\u011bjak\u00e9 indicie, \u017ee se o&nbsp;to pokou\u0161ej\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Divil\nbych se, kdyby se nepokou\u0161eli, proto\u017ee Putin \u0159ekl, \u017ee jim d\u00e1\namnestii, pokud st\u00e1hnou ukraden\u00e9 miliony ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed dom\u016f. A&nbsp;co\nud\u011blal Z\u00e1pad? Donutil je, aby tyto investice do Ruska vr\u00e1tili,\nproto\u017ee si nebyli jisti, \u017ee jim je Z\u00e1pad nesebere. Tak\u017ee Z\u00e1pad\npomohl Putinovi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jedn\u00edm\nz&nbsp;bod\u016f Helsinsk\u00e9ho protokolu bylo, \u017ee pr\u00e1vo na samostatnost\np\u0159i&nbsp;d\u011blen\u00ed st\u00e1tu m\u00e1 jen entita, kter\u00e1 byla feder\u00e1ln\u00ed\nrepublikou. To nespl\u0148ovalo Kosovo, ale Krym ano, byl samostatnou\nrepublikou Ukrajiny s&nbsp;vlastn\u00ed \u00fastavou, vl\u00e1dou a&nbsp;parlamentem.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ale\nje tady Krym. Rusku je vy\u010d\u00edt\u00e1na p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm jeho anexe, co\u017e je\nz\u00e1le\u017eitost, kterou proti sob\u011b po\u0161tvalo snad cel\u00fd sv\u011bt. Vn\u00edm\u00e1te\nto stejn\u011b?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Ne.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Pro\u010d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Te\u010f\nza\u010dnu trochu ze\u0161iroka. V&nbsp;roce 1989 se za\u010dal hroutit\nmezin\u00e1rodn\u00ed evropsk\u00fd \u0159\u00e1d, podle n\u011bj\u017e se jednalo. Sjednocen\u00edm\nN\u011bmecka a&nbsp;rozpadem Sov\u011btsk\u00e9ho svazu padla Jaltsk\u00e1 dohoda.\nRozpadem Jugosl\u00e1vie a&nbsp;rozd\u011blen\u00edm \u010ceskoslovenska padly zbytky\nVersaillesk\u00fdch dohod, podle kter\u00fdch byla uspo\u0159\u00e1d\u00e1na Evropa.\nJedin\u00fd \u0159\u00e1d, kter\u00fd platil, byl Helsinsk\u00fd protokol z&nbsp;roku\n1978, kter\u00fd obsahuje deset bod\u016f, a&nbsp;jeden z&nbsp;nich \u0159\u00edk\u00e1,\n\u017ee pr\u00e1vo na samostatnost p\u0159i&nbsp;d\u011blen\u00ed st\u00e1tu m\u00e1 jen entita,\nkter\u00e1 byla feder\u00e1ln\u00ed republikou. Na z\u00e1klad\u011b toho se rozd\u011blil\nSov\u011btsk\u00fd svaz. Svazov\u00e9 republiky se staly samostatn\u00fdmi a&nbsp;nikdo\nneprotestoval, \u0161lo to dokonce i&nbsp;bez v\u00e1lky.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nJugosl\u00e1vie\nse rozpadla sice v\u00e1le\u010dn\u011b, ale po\u0159\u00e1d podle Helsinsk\u00e9ho\nprotokolu, Slovinsko bylo feder\u00e1ln\u00ed republika, stejn\u011b tak\nChorvatsko, Bosna, Hercegovina, Makedonie, Srbsko, \u010cern\u00e1 hora. Ale\nKosovo bylo autonomn\u00ed oblast\u00ed. A&nbsp;proto\u017ee Z\u00e1pad uznal\nnez\u00e1vislost Kosova, tak se zhroutil i&nbsp;Helsinsk\u00fd akt. Tak\u017ee\nv&nbsp;Evrop\u011b neplat\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 pravidla. V\u0161echno je mo\u017en\u00e9.\nRusov\u00e9 tenkr\u00e1t upozor\u0148ovali: Jestli uzn\u00e1te Kosovo jako nez\u00e1visl\u00fd\nst\u00e1t, tak pro\u010d nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt nez\u00e1visl\u00e1 Ji\u017en\u00ed Osetie nebo\nAbch\u00e1zie? Pro\u010d nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt nez\u00e1visl\u00e9 Podn\u011bst\u0159\u00ed, N\u00e1horn\u00ed\nKarabach a&nbsp;tak d\u00e1le? Ale stalo se. Ov\u0161em Kosovo neuznaly ani\nv\u0161echny zem\u011b Evropsk\u00e9 unie, t\u0159eba Slovensko, Rumunsko nebo\n\u0160pan\u011blsko.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>Za\nto my jsme byli jedni z&nbsp;prvn\u00edch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;A&nbsp;pro\u010d?\nProto\u017ee pokud by Rumuni uznali Kosovo, tak by museli uznat\nnez\u00e1vislost rumunsk\u00fdm Ma\u010far\u016fm v&nbsp;Transylv\u00e1nii. Kdyby Slov\u00e1ci\nuznali Kosovo, museli by p\u0159iznat autonomii slovensk\u00fdm Ma\u010far\u016fm na\njihu Slovenska. Pokud by \u0160pan\u011bl\u00e9 uznali Kosovo, museli by uznat\nKatal\u00e1nsko, Baskicko a&nbsp;tak d\u00e1le. Tak\u017ee t\u00edm se zhroutil\nposledn\u00ed pr\u00e1vn\u00ed r\u00e1mec v&nbsp;Evrop\u011b a&nbsp;nyn\u00ed plat\u00ed pr\u00e1vo\nsiln\u011bj\u0161\u00edho.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nA\nv&nbsp;p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b Krymu? U\u017e jsem to \u0159\u00edkal i&nbsp;v&nbsp;televizi,\ntak\u017ee z&nbsp;toho bylo velk\u00e9 pozdvi\u017een\u00ed: Krym m\u011bl v&nbsp;r\u00e1mci\nukrajinsk\u00e9 \u00fastavy vlastn\u00ed \u00fastavu. Byla to republika Krym,\ns&nbsp;vlastn\u00edm prezidentem a&nbsp;vlastn\u00ed \u00fastavou. A&nbsp;v&nbsp;t\u00e9\n\u00fastav\u011b byl paragraf, \u017ee maj\u00ed v&nbsp;r\u00e1mci ukrajinsk\u00e9 platn\u00e9\n\u00fastavy pr\u00e1vo vyhl\u00e1sit samostatnost. Ale \u017ee to mus\u00ed b\u00fdt\nprost\u0159ednictv\u00ed referenda. Oni tedy zorganizovali referendum, ve\nkter\u00e9m bylo 98 procent lid\u00ed pro vyhl\u00e1\u0161en\u00ed nez\u00e1vislosti.\nVyhl\u00e1sili tedy nez\u00e1vislost a&nbsp;druh\u00fd den po\u017e\u00e1dali o&nbsp;p\u0159ipojen\u00ed\nk&nbsp;Rusku. Rusk\u00e1 Duma to t\u0159et\u00ed den schv\u00e1lila, a&nbsp;t\u00edm se\nstali sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed Ruska. To v\u0161e prob\u011bhlo podle ukrajinsk\u00e9 \u00fastavy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;A&nbsp;to\nnikdo na Z\u00e1pad\u011b nev\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b,\n\u017ee to v\u00ed. Je\u0161t\u011b nav\u00e1\u017eu. Odpov\u011bd\u00ed bylo: \u201eAle v\u017edy\u0165 tam\nbyli ru\u0161t\u00ed voj\u00e1ci.\u201c Ano, podle smlouvy mezi Ukrajinou a&nbsp;Ruskem\nm\u011bli Rusov\u00e9 pr\u00e1vo m\u00edt na Krymu, te\u010f si nepamatuji p\u0159esn\u00e1\n\u010d\u00edsla, asi t\u0159icet tis\u00edc voj\u00e1k\u016f. Bylo jich tam m\u00e9n\u011b, asi\ndvacet tis\u00edc. Tak\u017ee byli na Krymu leg\u00e1ln\u011b. V&nbsp;Sevastopolu je\nvojensk\u00e1 z\u00e1kladna rusk\u00e9ho \u010cernomo\u0159sk\u00e9ho lo\u010fstva. Tak\u017ee co?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Nezn\u00e1m\nukrajinskou \u00fastavu, nev\u00edm, \u017ee tam tato preambule byla, a&nbsp;tud\u00ed\u017e\nv\u00e1m v\u011b\u0159\u00edm, kdy\u017e to \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te. Ale v&nbsp;tuto chv\u00edli se pt\u00e1m:\njak si vykl\u00e1d\u00e1te skute\u010dnost, \u017ee to nikdo nezmi\u0148uje? Pro\u010d je to\nbr\u00e1no jako n\u00e1sil\u00ed, nez\u00e1konn\u00e1 anexe?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>To\nvyhl\u00e1sil Krymsk\u00fd parlament. Republika m\u011bla v&nbsp;r\u00e1mci Ukrajiny\nvlastn\u00edho prezidenta, vl\u00e1du i&nbsp;parlament.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Prvn\u00ed\nUkrajinsk\u00e1 vl\u00e1da po&nbsp;Majdanu vyhl\u00e1sila, \u017ee jedin\u00fdm \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edm\njazykem je ukrajin\u0161tina, a&nbsp;zak\u00e1zala mluvit rusky. To pod\u011bsilo\nruskou men\u0161inu a&nbsp;lidi na Krymu.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Jak\nse tedy d\u00edv\u00e1te na v\u00e1lku na Ukrajin\u011b?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Prvn\u00ed\nvl\u00e1da po&nbsp;Majdanu vyhl\u00e1sila, \u017ee jedin\u00fdm \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edm jazykem je\nukrajin\u0161tina, a&nbsp;zak\u00e1zala mluvit rusky. T\u00edm stra\u0161n\u011b pod\u011bsila\nruskou men\u0161inu. A&nbsp;pod\u011bsila lidi na Krymu. Na v\u00fdchod\u011b, kde\njsou v\u011bt\u0161inou Rusov\u00e9, si \u0159ekli, \u017ee s&nbsp;nimi v&nbsp;Kyjev\u011b\nnecht\u011bj\u00ed m\u00edt nic spole\u010dn\u00e9ho. Krym ud\u011blal to, co ud\u011blal, proto,\n\u017ee na to m\u011bl \u00fastavu, vlastn\u00ed republiku. V&nbsp;dal\u0161\u00edch\noblastech nic takov\u00e9ho nem\u011bli, byly to kraje nebo oblasti. Pokud se\nbudou Ukrajinci chovat tak, jak se chovaj\u00ed, tak Rusov\u00e9 s&nbsp;nimi\nnebudou cht\u00edt \u017e\u00edt, proto\u017ee nebudete \u017e\u00edt ve st\u00e1t\u011b, kde v\u00e1m\nzakazuj\u00ed v\u00e1\u0161 jazyk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nUkrajina\nse takto chov\u00e1 i&nbsp;v\u016f\u010di Rus\u00edn\u016fm na Podkarpatsk\u00e9 Rusi, kter\u00e1\nbyla dvacet let sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed \u010ceskoslovenska. Na ka\u017ed\u00e9\n\u010deskoslovensk\u00e9 bankovce byly uvedeny hodnoty v&nbsp;\u010de\u0161tin\u011b,\nsloven\u0161tin\u011b, rus\u00edn\u0161tin\u011b, pol\u0161tin\u011b, ma\u010far\u0161tin\u011b a&nbsp;n\u011bm\u010din\u011b.\nMy jsme jako \u010ceskoslovensko uzn\u00e1vali Rus\u00edny jako n\u00e1rod. A&nbsp;i&nbsp;za\nsocialistick\u00e9ho \u010ceskoslovenska bylo na v\u00fdchod\u011b Slovenska,\nv&nbsp;Pre\u0161ov\u011b, rus\u00ednsk\u00e9 divadlo a&nbsp;rus\u00ednsk\u00e9, ale tak\u00e9\nukrajinsk\u00e9 \u0161koly. Rus\u00edni, co\u017e je 1&nbsp;200&nbsp;000 lid\u00ed, jsou\nnejmen\u0161\u00edm slovansk\u00fdm n\u00e1rodem, kdy\u017e nepo\u010d\u00edt\u00e1m Lu\u017eick\u00e9 Srby,\nkter\u00fdch u\u017e je asi jenom pades\u00e1t a\u017e sto tis\u00edc. A&nbsp;Ukrajina je\nneuzn\u00e1v\u00e1 jako n\u00e1rod.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nA te\u010f\nsi vezm\u011bte, jak\u00e1 je Ukrajina v\u016f\u010di Ma\u010far\u016fm, Rumun\u016fm a&nbsp;Pol\u00e1k\u016fm.\nTak\u00e9 zru\u0161ila v\u00fduku v&nbsp;jejich jazyc\u00edch a&nbsp;vydala z\u00e1kon,\n\u017ee se bude u\u010dit jen ukrajin\u0161tina. V&nbsp;odpov\u011bdi na to Ma\u010fa\u0159i\nblokuj\u00ed jak\u00e9koli jedn\u00e1n\u00ed Ukrajiny s&nbsp;NATO. \u0158ekli, \u017ee dokud\nUkrajina tento z\u00e1kon nezm\u011bn\u00ed, tak nebudou \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed.\nA&nbsp;mus\u00edte m\u00edt souhlas v\u0161ech zem\u00ed NATO, tak\u017ee \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1\njedn\u00e1n\u00ed Ukrajiny s&nbsp;NATO u\u017e druh\u00fd rok neprob\u00edhaj\u00ed, proto\u017ee\nto Ma\u010farsko v\u017edycky zablokuje. A&nbsp;kdy\u017e to nezablokuje\nMa\u010farsko, tak to ud\u011bl\u00e1 Polsko. Tak\u017ee za to si mohou jen\nukrajin\u0161t\u00ed politici. N\u011bkter\u00e9 zdroje \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee za dobu od\nMajdanu Ukrajina ztratila deset milion\u016f obyvatel. Polovina jich\node\u0161la do Ruska a&nbsp;polovina do Evropy. Jenom v&nbsp;Polsku jich\npracuje milion. U&nbsp;n\u00e1s jich je nejm\u00e9n\u011b 150 tis\u00edc. To nejsou\ndobr\u00e9 v\u00fdsledky ukrajinsk\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy a&nbsp;ukrajinsk\u00e9 demokracie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>Mysl\u00edm\nsi, \u017ee za tento n\u00e1zor v\u00e1s mus\u00ed na\u0161e ve\u0159ejnost kropit sv\u011bcenou\nvodou. A&nbsp;na m\u011b p\u00e1r kapek dopadne u\u017e jenom proto, \u017ee to\nposlouch\u00e1m a&nbsp;umo\u017e\u0148uji tento n\u00e1zor. Chci se v&nbsp;t\u00e9to\nsouvislosti zeptat: \u010d\u00edm to je, \u017ee o&nbsp;t\u011bchto geopolitick\u00fdch\na&nbsp;mezin\u00e1rodn\u00edch ot\u00e1zk\u00e1ch se u&nbsp;n\u00e1s v&nbsp;sou\u010dasn\u00e9\ndob\u011b ned\u00e1 svobodn\u011b a&nbsp;otev\u0159en\u011b diskutovat, \u0159\u00edct sv\u016fj\nn\u00e1zor a&nbsp;vyslechnout n\u00e1zor protistrany?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>J\u00e1\njsem tento n\u00e1zor \u0159ekl v&nbsp;\u010cT24.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ale\ntak\u00e9 jste v&nbsp;d\u016fchodu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Je\nto ovzdu\u0161\u00ed vytvo\u0159en\u00e9 ve\u0159ejn\u00fdmi medii, tiskem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ale\npro\u010d ho n\u011bkdo vytv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed? N\u011bkdo vrt\u00ed psem? Kdo a&nbsp;pro\u010d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Ano.\nV\u017edy se najdou lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed budou papou\u0161kovat to, o&nbsp;\u010dem si\nmysl\u00ed, \u017ee by se \u201em\u011blo\u201c \u0159\u00edkat, a&nbsp;\u017ee za to budou\nchv\u00e1leni vl\u00e1dnouc\u00ed moc\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;V&nbsp;listopadu\n\u0159ekl gener\u00e1l Petr Pavel, \u017ee nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed hrozbou z\u00e1padn\u00edmu sv\u011btu\nnen\u00ed sv\u011btov\u00fd terorismus, ale Rusko.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;J\u00e1\ns&nbsp;n\u00edm v&nbsp;tomto nesouhlas\u00edm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ale\nbyl je\u0161t\u011b p\u0159ed n\u011bkolika m\u011bs\u00edci druh\u00fdm nejmocn\u011bj\u0161\u00edm mu\u017eem\nNATO. Ten p\u0159ece mus\u00ed v\u011bd\u011bt, jak se sv\u011bt to\u010d\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Pan\ngener\u00e1l Pavel ur\u010dit\u011b v\u00ed, kde vznik\u00e1 nap\u011bt\u00ed. Je to\nv&nbsp;Jiho\u010d\u00ednsk\u00e9m mo\u0159i. A&nbsp;\u017ee \u010c\u00ed\u0148an\u00e9 vybudovali na\nSpratlyho ostrovech p\u0159ist\u00e1vac\u00ed dr\u00e1hy a&nbsp;ubytovac\u00ed kapacity,\naby mohli kontrolovat cesty ropn\u00fdch tanker\u016f Jiho\u010d\u00ednsk\u00fdm mo\u0159em.\n\u010c\u00ed\u0148an\u00e9 vybudovali nap\u0159\u00edklad z\u00e1kladnu v&nbsp;D\u017eibuti v&nbsp;severn\u00ed\nAfrice. \u010c\u00edna je hospod\u00e1\u0159sky druh\u00e1 nejvysp\u011blej\u0161\u00ed zem\u011b na\nsv\u011bt\u011b a&nbsp;za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 prosazovat sv\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy, tak\u017ee\nz&nbsp;Jiho\u010d\u00ednsk\u00e9ho mo\u0159e ud\u011blali \u010d\u00ednsk\u00fd rybn\u00edk. Kdy\u017e jsem\njako velvyslanec p\u016fsobil v&nbsp;Japonsku, tak tam denn\u011b prob\u00edhaly\nincidenty mezi japonsk\u00fdmi a&nbsp;\u010d\u00ednsk\u00fdmi lod\u011bmi. Bu\u010f m\u011bla\nprobl\u00e9m \u010d\u00ednsk\u00e1 lo\u010f s&nbsp;japonsk\u00fdmi ryb\u00e1\u0159i, nebo japonsk\u00e1\nponorka s&nbsp;\u010d\u00ednsk\u00fdmi ryb\u00e1\u0159i. Na souostrov\u00ed Senkaku p\u0159ijedou\n\u010d\u00ednsk\u00e9 \u201enevl\u00e1dn\u00ed organizace\u201c a&nbsp;vyv\u011bs\u00ed tam \u010d\u00ednskou\nvlajku. A&nbsp;potom zase japonsk\u00e9 \u201enevl\u00e1dn\u00ed organizace\u201c\na&nbsp;tuto vlajku strhnou a&nbsp;daj\u00ed tam japonskou. M\u016f\u017ee\nvzniknout n\u00e1hodn\u00fd konflikt, kdy japonsk\u00e1 ponorka zavad\u00ed o&nbsp;\u010d\u00ednskou\nlo\u010f, nebo naopak. Te\u010f po&nbsp;jedn\u00e1n\u00edch se Severn\u00ed Koreou za\u010dala\n\u010c\u00edna jednat s&nbsp;Japonci. Tak\u017ee uvid\u00edme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Rozum\u00edm\ntomu spr\u00e1vn\u011b, \u017ee se rozhodn\u011b v\u00edce boj\u00edte \u010c\u00edny ne\u017e Ruska?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ano.\n\u010c\u00edna je nastupuj\u00edc\u00ed mocnost, kter\u00e1 si bude ukrajovat sv\u016fj d\u00edl\nz&nbsp;glob\u00e1ln\u00edho kol\u00e1\u010de. Mus\u00ed si zabezpe\u010dit zdroje surovin\na&nbsp;nov\u00e1 iniciativa, nov\u00e1 Hedv\u00e1bn\u00e1 stezka, bude zvy\u0161ovat vliv\n\u010c\u00edny ve st\u0159edn\u00ed Asii a&nbsp;mo\u017en\u00e1 i&nbsp;v&nbsp;Evrop\u011b. \u010c\u00ed\u0148an\u00e9\nskoupili nap\u0159\u00edklad \u0159eck\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edstavy. N\u011bkolik z\u00e1padn\u00edch vl\u00e1d\nu\u017e do\u0161lo k&nbsp;n\u00e1zoru, \u017ee je toho moc, a&nbsp;s&nbsp;odvol\u00e1n\u00edm\nna n\u00e1rodn\u00ed bezpe\u010dnost zak\u00e1zaly n\u011bkter\u00e9 investice, kdy \u010c\u00ed\u0148an\u00e9\ncht\u011bli koupit n\u011bco z&nbsp;IT pr\u016fmyslu nebo telekomunika\u010dn\u00ed\nfirmy. \u010c\u00ed\u0148an\u00e9 maj\u00ed velmi \u00fasp\u011b\u0161nou glob\u00e1ln\u00ed televizi China\nInternational Television Corporation, kter\u00e1 vys\u00edl\u00e1 v&nbsp;angli\u010dtin\u011b,\nkterou chytnete t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 v\u0161ude. Maj\u00ed studio ve Washingtonu,\nv&nbsp;Pekingu, Nairobi a&nbsp;chyt\u00edte to v\u0161ude po&nbsp;sv\u011bt\u011b,\nv&nbsp;mezin\u00e1rodn\u00edch hotelech.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ano,\n\u0161kolili je mnoz\u00ed report\u00e9\u0159i CNN.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Ano.\nU\u017e jen \u010d\u00edslo 228 miliard dolar\u016f na zbrojen\u00ed ve srovn\u00e1n\u00ed s&nbsp;67\nmiliardami Ruska mluv\u00ed za v\u0161e. Kdo v\u00edc zbroj\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;To\nm\u00e1me tak \u0161patn\u00fd odhad na potencion\u00e1ln\u00edho nep\u0159\u00edtele? Aliance m\u00e1\n\u0161patn\u00fd odhad?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Je\nm\u00f3dn\u00ed d\u011blat z&nbsp;Ruska nep\u0159\u00edtele, proto\u017ee ho m\u00e1te na\nhranic\u00edch. Ale na to existuje vtip, kter\u00fd mi vypr\u00e1v\u011bl jeden\namerick\u00fd gener\u00e1l: \u201eDva ameri\u010dt\u00ed gener\u00e1lov\u00e9 stoj\u00ed p\u0159ed mapou\nEvropy, kde jsou vyzna\u010deny hranice Ruska a&nbsp;evropsk\u00fdch st\u00e1t\u016f\na&nbsp;jeden \u0159\u00edk\u00e1: Pod\u00edvej se, kde bylo Rusko v&nbsp;roce 2000,\njak bylo daleko od NATO. A&nbsp;vid\u00ed\u0161, kde je dnes? To je agresivn\u00ed\np\u0159\u00edstup.\u201c Ale kdo se ke komu p\u0159ibli\u017eoval? A&nbsp;to je americk\u00fd\nvtip.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Kauza\nSkripalov\u00fdch je zpackan\u00e1 PR&nbsp;akce Brit\u016f<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>\u0158\u00edk\u00e1te,\n\u017ee m\u00e1me \u0161patn\u00fd odhad. Rusku se \u010dasto p\u0159ipisuje cel\u00e1 \u0159ada\nskutk\u016f je\u0161t\u011b d\u0159\u00edve, ne\u017e je mo\u017en\u00e9 v\u016fbec shrom\u00e1\u017edit n\u011bjak\u00e9\nd\u016fkazy. Jak v&nbsp;t\u00e9to souvislosti vid\u00edte kauzu Skripalov\u00fdch?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>To\nje zpackan\u00e1 PR&nbsp;akce Brit\u016f. I&nbsp;v&nbsp;na\u0161\u00ed televizi \u0161ly\nty z\u00e1b\u011bry, kdy Britov\u00e9 nato\u010d\u00ed dva Rusy, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou na n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b\nv&nbsp;Salisbury, jak vystupuj\u00ed v&nbsp;Lond\u00fdn\u011b z&nbsp;letadla\na&nbsp;mus\u00ed proj\u00edt koridorem k&nbsp;\u00fa\u0159edn\u00edk\u016fm. A&nbsp;tito dva\nRusov\u00e9 jsou ve dvou koridorech na desetinu vte\u0159iny ve stejnou dobu.\nTam i&nbsp;tam b\u011b\u017e\u00ed na obrazovce \u010das. V\u00edte, kolik let by to\nmuseli tr\u00e9novat, aby to bylo takto?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nDruh\u00e1\nv\u011bc: Rusov\u00e9 m\u011bli otr\u00e1vit Skripala a&nbsp;jeho dceru. Nikdo je ale\nod tiskov\u00e9 konference dcery nevid\u011bl. Oba se z\u00e1zra\u010dn\u011b uzdravili.\nProto\u017ee jsem byl voj\u00e1k, tak v\u00edm, \u017ee kdyby byl n\u011bkdo zasa\u017een\nnovi\u010dokem, tak je b\u011bhem p\u016fl minuty mrtv\u00fd. A&nbsp;tihle dva byli\n\u00fadajn\u011b novi\u010dokem zasa\u017eeni, odvezli je do nemocnice, dostali\nprotis\u00e9rum a&nbsp;zachr\u00e1nili je. To je dal\u0161\u00ed nesmysl.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nT\u0159et\u00edm\nnesmyslem je, \u017ee tito \u00fadajn\u00ed Rusov\u00e9 nat\u0159eli Skripalov\u00fdm kliky.\nAle kdy\u017e potom Britov\u00e9 zve\u0159ej\u0148uj\u00ed pohyb t\u011bchto Rus\u016f, tak oni\nnem\u011bli \u0161anci se k&nbsp;t\u011bmto klik\u00e1m dostat, proto\u017ee byli \u00fapln\u011b\nn\u011bkde jinde. Skripalovi byli n\u011bkde jinde, potkala je n\u011bjak\u00e1 \u017eena.\nSami \u0159\u00edkali, \u017ee to maj\u00ed na z\u00e1znamech. Skripalovi zkolabovali na\nn\u011bjak\u00fdch lavi\u010dk\u00e1ch v&nbsp;parku a&nbsp;Britov\u00e9 okam\u017eit\u011b\nv\u011bd\u011bli, \u017ee to je novi\u010dko, a&nbsp;okam\u017eit\u011b jim p\u00edchli protijed.\nTi Rusov\u00e9 bydleli v&nbsp;hotelu, kde si m\u011bli p\u0159ipravovat novi\u010dok\nk&nbsp;\u00fatoku. V&nbsp;tomto hotelu se nena\u0161la ani jedna stopa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nNebo ti\ndva bezdomovci: otr\u00e1vili se novi\u010dokem o&nbsp;n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f\npozd\u011bji. To n\u00e1m cht\u011bj\u00ed \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee se v&nbsp;Brit\u00e1nii neukl\u00edz\u00ed\nve\u0159ejn\u00fd odpad a&nbsp;v&nbsp;kontejnerech byl novi\u010dok t\u0159i m\u011bs\u00edce?\nTo jsou v\u0161echno prost\u011b v\u00fdmysly, kter\u00e9 nefunguj\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u0158\u00edk\u00e1te,\n\u201ezpackan\u00e1 akce britsk\u00e9 tajn\u00e9 slu\u017eby\u201c. Ale kdy\u017e to l\u00ed\u010d\u00edte,\ntak by bylo tak zpackan\u00e9, \u017ee se ani ned\u00e1 v\u011b\u0159it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ano,\nale je to takto zpackan\u00e9. Je to poh\u00e1dka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;V&nbsp;roce\n2014 jste v&nbsp;jednom rozhovoru v&nbsp;souvislosti s&nbsp;tehdej\u0161\u00edm\nn\u00e1vrhem Michaila Gorba\u010dova \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee by se m\u011bli u&nbsp;spole\u010dn\u00e9ho\nstolu setkat Spojen\u00e9 st\u00e1ty, Rusko a&nbsp;Evropsk\u00e1 unie a&nbsp;\u0159\u00edci\nsi, co bude d\u00e1l. A&nbsp;to proto, \u017ee, cituji: \u201eEskalace nap\u011bt\u00ed\nm\u016f\u017ee v\u00e9st i&nbsp;k&nbsp;n\u00e1hodn\u00e9mu vyvol\u00e1n\u00ed velk\u00e9ho\nkonfliktu.\u201c Vid\u00edte k&nbsp;tomuto po&nbsp;t\u011bch letech v\u016fli?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Vid\u00edm,\njak se situace neust\u00e1le zhor\u0161uje, co\u017e m\u011b mrz\u00ed. A&nbsp;\u017ee\npolitici nemaj\u00ed v\u016fli to m\u00edrnit. Ameri\u010dan\u00e9 vyk\u0159ikuj\u00ed proti\nRusku, uvaluj\u00ed sankce a&nbsp;tak d\u00e1le. Ale to je podobn\u00e9 jako\nv&nbsp;S\u00fdrii s&nbsp;t\u011bmi raketami, sp\u00ed\u0161e se to obrac\u00ed na\nvnitropolitickou sc\u00e9nu. Evropa by sankce zase r\u00e1da omezila. N\u011bmecko\n\u2013 obchod je obchod, It\u00e1lie, ta u\u017e \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 nahlas, \u017ee n\u011bjak\u00e9\nsankce nebude dodr\u017eovat. Tak\u017ee vid\u00edte, \u017ee Evropa je rozh\u00e1dan\u00e1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nMerkelov\u00e1\nohl\u00e1sila odchod, B\u016fh v\u00ed, kdo po&nbsp;n\u00ed bude Evropu \u0161\u00e9fovat,\nkdo ji uko\u010d\u00edruje. Cht\u011bl by to b\u00fdt Macron, ale to je slibotechna.\nM\u00e1 nejni\u017e\u0161\u00ed podporu od voleb \u2013 a&nbsp;to je na za\u010d\u00e1tku v\u00fdkonu\nfunkce. Tak\u017ee ten tak\u00e9 nebude v\u016fdcem Evropy. Ale kdo j\u00edm bude? To\nnev\u00edm. N\u011bmecko bude \u0159e\u0161it sv\u00e9 vnit\u0159n\u00ed probl\u00e9my a&nbsp;bude se\nsna\u017eit zachovat svou hospod\u00e1\u0159skou \u00farove\u0148, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee\nn\u011bmeck\u00e9 firmy budou tla\u010dit na to, aby se obnovil obchod s&nbsp;Ruskem.\nN\u011bmeck\u00e9 firmy tam vesele figuruj\u00ed d\u00e1l. Te\u010f prob\u011bhlo ekonomick\u00e9\nf\u00f3rum v&nbsp;Petrohradu a&nbsp;byla tam spousta n\u011bmeck\u00fdch firem.\nGerhard Schr\u00f6der, b\u00fdval\u00fd kancl\u00e9\u0159, je ve veden\u00ed Gazpromu. Co to\n\u0159\u00edk\u00e1?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Co\nto \u0159\u00edk\u00e1?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u0158\u00edk\u00e1\nto, \u017ee N\u011bmecko se nevzd\u00e1 rusk\u00e9ho plynu, proto\u017ee americk\u00fd plyn\nje dra\u017e\u0161\u00ed. Ten, kter\u00fd cht\u011bj\u00ed Ameri\u010dan\u00e9 dov\u00e1\u017eet ve stla\u010den\u00e9m\nstavu, a&nbsp;nut\u00ed Evropskou unii budovat pro n\u011bj termin\u00e1ly.\nN\u011bmecko \u0159eklo pom\u011brn\u011b jasn\u011b, \u017ee se rusk\u00e9ho plynu nevzd\u00e1.\nTak\u017ee Evropa nen\u00ed v\u016fbec jednotn\u00e1. Nen\u00ed jednotn\u00e1 ani v\u016f\u010di\n\u010c\u00edn\u011b. Zde se vy\u010d\u00edt\u00e1 prezidentovi Zemanovi, \u017ee jezd\u00ed do \u010c\u00edny\na&nbsp;podporuje obchod s&nbsp;\u010c\u00ednou. Ale \u0161el n\u011bkdo demonstrovat\np\u0159ed francouzskou ambas\u00e1du, kdy\u017e jel do \u010c\u00edny Macron nebo\nMerkelov\u00e1 a&nbsp;s&nbsp;n\u00ed \u010dty\u0159i letadla pln\u00e1 podnikatel\u016f?\nProtestoval n\u011bkdo? Pro\u010d z\u00e1padn\u00ed st\u00e1tn\u00edci mohou do \u010c\u00edny \u2013\na&nbsp;samoz\u0159ejm\u011b neotv\u00edraj\u00ed ot\u00e1zku lidsk\u00fdch pr\u00e1v, a&nbsp;pro\u010d\nn\u00e1\u0161 prezident nesm\u00ed? Oni m\u016f\u017eou d\u011blat obchody a&nbsp;my ne? Oni\nm\u016f\u017eou d\u011blat obchody s&nbsp;Ruskem a&nbsp;\u010c\u00ednou, a&nbsp;my\nnesm\u00edme? A&nbsp;naopak m\u00e1me vyklidit trhy v&nbsp;Rusku, aby tam\nmohli p\u0159ij\u00edt N\u011bmci, Francouzi, Italov\u00e9? To mi nikdo nevysv\u011btlil.\nP\u0159ece pokud jsme suver\u00e9nn\u00ed st\u00e1t, tak mus\u00edme m\u00edt z\u00e1jem, abychom\nm\u011bli diverzifikovan\u00fd obchod a&nbsp;nebyli z\u00e1visl\u00ed jenom na jednom\nregionu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u0158ekl\njste: \u201eEskalace nap\u011bt\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee v\u00e9st i&nbsp;k&nbsp;n\u00e1hodn\u00e9mu\nvyvol\u00e1n\u00ed velk\u00e9ho konfliktu.\u201c M\u011b slovo \u201en\u00e1hodn\u00fd\u201c ve\nspojitosti s&nbsp;\u201evelk\u00fdm konfliktem\u201c znepokojuje. Jak jste to\np\u0159esn\u011b myslel? Jak\u00fd velk\u00fd konflikt m\u016f\u017ee vzniknout n\u00e1hodn\u011b,\npokud nevznikne americko-rusko-evropsk\u00fd kulat\u00fd st\u016fl?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;N\u011bkde\nve vzdu\u0161n\u00e9m prostoru nad Baltick\u00fdm mo\u0159em se m\u016f\u017ee srazit rusk\u00e9\na&nbsp;americk\u00e9 letadlo. Ned\u00e1vno p\u0159i&nbsp;cvi\u010den\u00ed nad Estonskem\nnebo Loty\u0161skem vyp\u00e1lilo \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00e9 letadlo omylem raketu, kter\u00e1\nna\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed dopadla na loty\u0161sk\u00e9 nebo estonsk\u00e9 \u00fazem\u00ed. Co by se\nstalo, kdyby dopadla na rusk\u00e9 \u00fazem\u00ed? Pova\u017eovali by to Rusov\u00e9 za\n\u00fatok?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Nejsp\u00ed\u0161e\nano.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Tak\u017ee\npova\u017eovali by to za mal\u00fd \u00fatok a&nbsp;n\u00e1sledovalo by: \u201eBububu,\nco jste to ud\u011blali?\u201c Na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed st\u00e1le existuj\u00ed \u010derven\u00e9 linky\nmezi Moskvou a&nbsp;Washingtonem. To je\u0161t\u011b po\u0159\u00e1d funguje. Ale a\u017e\nzru\u0161\u00ed toto, tak bude probl\u00e9m.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Evropa\nje ekonomick\u00fd, ale nikoli vojensk\u00fd hr\u00e1\u010d. V&nbsp;okam\u017eiku krize\nm\u016f\u017ee nasadit \u010dty\u0159icet \u010dty\u0159i tis\u00edc voj\u00e1k\u016f. Z&nbsp;toho\nt\u0159etina m\u016f\u017ee cvi\u010dit a&nbsp;t\u0159etina m\u00edt dovolenou.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>Jak\nby m\u011blo podle v\u00e1s vypadat nov\u00e9 uspo\u0159\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed ve sv\u011bt\u011b? Nov\u00e9\nvyva\u017eov\u00e1n\u00ed sil?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Budou\nse muset dohodnout velmoci.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:&nbsp;<\/strong>Tedy\nAmerika, \u010c\u00edna, Rusko, Evropa?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>Evropa\nje ekonomick\u00fd, ale nikoli vojensk\u00fd hr\u00e1\u010d. To jsem tak\u00e9 \u0159ekl na\nn\u011bkolika konferenc\u00edch a&nbsp;byl jsem za to kritizov\u00e1n. Ale dob\u0159e.\nEvropa m\u00e1 28 st\u00e1t\u016f a&nbsp;m\u00e1 ve zbrani jeden a&nbsp;p\u016fl milionu\nmu\u017e\u016f. Co\u017e je hodn\u011b. Ale kolik z&nbsp;nich m\u016f\u017ee okam\u017eit\u011b\nnasadit, kdy\u017e je krize? \u010cty\u0159icet \u010dty\u0159i tis\u00edc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Dohromady,\ncel\u00e1 Evropa?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ano.\nKdyby se p\u00edsklo, tak okam\u017eit\u011b \u010dty\u0159icet p\u011bt tis\u00edc lid\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee\nnastoupit n\u011bkam bojovat. Ale proto\u017ee jsem m\u011bl na starosti voj\u00e1ky\nv&nbsp;b\u00fdval\u00e9 Jugosl\u00e1vii, tak v\u00edm, \u017ee nemohou v\u0161ichni bojovat.\nT\u0159etina m\u016f\u017ee bojovat, t\u0159etina cvi\u010dit a&nbsp;t\u0159etina mus\u00ed b\u00fdt\nna dovolen\u00e9. Tak\u017ee k&nbsp;okam\u017eit\u00e9mu nasazen\u00ed je to patn\u00e1ct\ntis\u00edc voj\u00e1k\u016f. To se tedy Putin mus\u00ed b\u00e1t! Tak\u017ee po\u0159\u00e1d\nspol\u00e9h\u00e1me na Ameri\u010dany, \u017ee to ud\u011blaj\u00ed, kdyby k&nbsp;n\u011b\u010demu\ndo\u0161lo. A&nbsp;co kdy\u017e se Ameri\u010dan\u016fm nebude cht\u00edt?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Na\u0161im\nspojenc\u016fm se v&nbsp;souvislosti s&nbsp;n\u00e1mi necht\u011blo nikdy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:&nbsp;<\/strong>No,\nj\u00e1 jsem to \u0159\u00edkal na t\u00e9 Modlitb\u011b za domov, \u017ee jsme byli zrazeni\nze z\u00e1padu i&nbsp;z&nbsp;v\u00fdchodu. Z&nbsp;v\u00fdchodu jsme byli obsazeni\nvlastn\u00edmi spojenci. Ze z\u00e1padu se na n\u00e1s vyka\u0161lali p\u0159i&nbsp;Mnichovsk\u00e9\ndohod\u011b, proto\u017ee pot\u0159ebovali nasm\u011brovat N\u011bmecko na Sov\u011btsk\u00fd\nsvaz. Tak n\u00e1s prost\u011b ob\u011btovali. A&nbsp;v&nbsp;roce 1968 se\ndohodli, \u017ee Sov\u011bti nep\u0159ekro\u010d\u00ed z\u00e1padon\u011bmeck\u00e9 hranice, pro\njistotu se anglick\u00e9 a&nbsp;americk\u00e9 jednotky st\u00e1hly pades\u00e1t\nkilometr\u016f od hranic, kdyby tam n\u00e1hodou n\u011bjak\u00e9 tanky p\u0159ejely, aby\nnedo\u0161lo k&nbsp;n\u00e1hodn\u00e9mu konfliktu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\nA co\nud\u011blal Z\u00e1pad tady? Rok byly otev\u0159en\u00e9 hranice. To bylo jedin\u00e9, co\nZ\u00e1pad pro n\u00e1s ud\u011blal. Rok byly otev\u0159en\u00e9 hranice, a&nbsp;komu se\nnel\u00edb\u00ed, co zde nastupuje, tak m\u016f\u017ee opustit \u010ceskoslovensko.\nA&nbsp;v\u0161echny, kte\u0159\u00ed ode\u0161li, p\u0159ijali.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Winstona\nChurchilla se \u00fadajn\u011b po&nbsp;v\u00e1lce ptali, zda ho mrz\u00ed n\u011bco, co\nse mu nepoda\u0159ilo. A&nbsp;on m\u011bl odpov\u011bd\u011bt, \u017ee se mu v\u010das\nnepoda\u0159ilo vyd\u011bsit v\u00edce lid\u00ed, proto\u017ee jich mohlo v\u00edce p\u0159e\u017e\u00edt.\nMysl\u00edte, \u017ee bychom m\u011bli b\u00fdt v\u00edce vyd\u011b\u0161en\u00ed? Nebo je nejhor\u0161\u00ed\nsmrt\u00ed ta z&nbsp;leknut\u00ed, a&nbsp;naopak bychom m\u011bli b\u00fdt v&nbsp;klidu\na&nbsp;zhluboka d\u00fdchat?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;Mysl\u00edm,\n\u017ee bychom m\u011bli b\u00fdt v&nbsp;klidu, zhluboka d\u00fdchat, vz\u00edt rozum do\nhrsti a&nbsp;uva\u017eovat selsk\u00fdm rozumem, proto\u017ee ne v\u0161echno, co se\notiskne v&nbsp;novin\u00e1ch nebo \u0159ekne v&nbsp;televizi, je tak, jak se\n\u0159\u00edk\u00e1. A&nbsp;nikdy se nej\u00ed nic tak hork\u00e9, jak se uva\u0159\u00ed.\nPo\u010dk\u00e1te, a\u017e to vychladne. N\u011bkdy se vytv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed hysterie. \u00dapln\u011b\nzbyte\u010dn\u00e1. K&nbsp;\u010demu to je? K&nbsp;tomu, aby se lid\u00e9 v\u00edc b\u00e1li,\nnebo byli poslu\u0161n\u011bj\u0161\u00ed? Nev\u00edm. Nebo aby se sn\u00e1z ovl\u00e1dali? To\nza\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 p\u0159ipom\u00ednat \u201eNineteen Eighty-Four\u201c od Orwella.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Martina:<\/strong>&nbsp;Pane\nNovotn\u00fd, moc d\u011bkuji za n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bvu ve studiu a&nbsp;za v\u00e1\u0161 velice\nosobit\u00fd pohled na v\u011bc a&nbsp;na sv\u011bt. D\u00edky moc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n<strong>Jarom\u00edr\nNovotn\u00fd:<\/strong>&nbsp;R\u00e1d\njsem p\u0159i\u0161el.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u0159edm\u011bt:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Po\ntomto p\u0159e\u010dten\u00ed od konkr\u00e9tn\u00edho diplomata \u010cR by se mohlo hodn\u011b\nlidem se rozsv\u00edtit&#8230; \n<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Diplomat, kter\u00fd p\u0159ivedl \u010cR do NATO: Putin zastavil rozpad Ruska a jeho rozkr\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed a m\u00edstn\u00edmi oligarchy. Ot\u00e1zkou je, zda se ho nepokus\u00ed sundat Autor:&nbsp;odjinud&nbsp;|&nbsp;Publikov\u00e1no:&nbsp;7.3.2019&nbsp;|&nbsp;Rubrika:&nbsp;Rozhovory Jarom\u00edr Novotn\u00fd (nar.1947) Bezpe\u010dnostn\u00ed expert, diplomat, o&nbsp;kter\u00e9m se hovo\u0159\u00ed jako o&nbsp;architektovi na\u0161eho vstupu do aliance, tedy \u010dlov\u011bku, je\u017e p\u0159ivedl \u010ceskou republiku do NATO. Pracoval na ministerstvu zahrani\u010d\u00ed, byl n\u00e1m\u011bstkem &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=3653\" class=\"more-link\">Pokra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed textu <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Diplomat Jarom\u00edr Novotn\u00fd<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3653","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pc"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3653","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3653"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3653\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3654,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3653\/revisions\/3654"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3653"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3653"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3653"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}