{"id":9910,"date":"2022-01-30T19:54:39","date_gmt":"2022-01-30T18:54:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=9910"},"modified":"2022-01-30T19:54:53","modified_gmt":"2022-01-30T18:54:53","slug":"slova-odborniku-z-nemocnic-jake-to-je-u-nich-kde-je-pravda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=9910","title":{"rendered":"Slova odborn\u00edk\u016f z nemocnic, jak\u00e9 to je u nich &#8211; kde je pravda?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Doc. MUDr. Martin Bal\u00edk, Ph.D ,(vedouc\u00ed l\u00e9ka\u0159 z Kliniky<br>anesteziologie, resuscitace a intenzivn\u00ed medic\u00edny VFN a 1. LF v Praze)<br>&#8222;Spole\u010dnost jsme \u0161\u00edlen\u011b vystra\u0161ili&#8230; Testujeme tis\u00edce lid\u00ed denn\u011b,<br>stoj\u00ed to t\u0159i \u010dtvrt\u011b miliardy m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u011b a v\u00fdsledkem je 71 pacient\u016f v<br>t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9m stavu. U n\u00e1s je jich \u0161est, maj\u00ed spoustu rizikov\u00fdch faktor\u016f,<br>\u0159\u00edk\u00e1m tomu intenzivn\u00ed obezitologie&#8230; Ch\u0159ipka dok\u00e1\u017ee b\u00fdt<br>destruktivn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e koronavirus&#8220;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prof. MUDr. Ji\u0159\u00ed Bene\u0161, CSc. ,(p\u0159ednosta Kliniky infek\u010dn\u00edch nemoc\u00ed 3.<br>LF v Nemocnici Na Bulovce): &#8222;Podle na\u0161ich dosavadn\u00edch<br>epidemiologick\u00fdch \u00fadaj\u016f se koronavirus chov\u00e1 v podstat\u011b stejn\u011b jako<br>ch\u0159ipka, dokonce mo\u017en\u00e1 m\u00edrn\u011bji&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prof. MUDr. Jan Pirk, DrSc. (p\u0159ednosta kardiocentra IKEM): Na ot\u00e1zku,<br>\u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed lid\u00e9 promo\u0159ov\u00e1n\u00ed odm\u00edtaj\u00ed s t\u00edm, \u017ee po prod\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed koronaviru<br>protil\u00e1tky nez\u016fstanou dlouho v t\u011ble, tak\u017ee by n\u00e1m promo\u0159ov\u00e1n\u00ed<br>nepomohlo, odpov\u011bd\u011bl: \u201eTo m\u016f\u017ee \u0159\u00edci jen nezasv\u011bcen\u00fd hlup\u00e1k. Protil\u00e1tky<br>samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nez\u016fstanou, kdy\u017e u\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk nem\u00e1 infekci. M\u00e1me ale imunitu<br>kr\u00e1tkodobou l\u00e1tkovou a bun\u011b\u010dnou, kter\u00e1 je dlouhodob\u00e1. L\u00e1tkov\u00e1 se<br>objev\u00ed v okam\u017eiku, kdy prod\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1te infekci, n\u011bjakou dobu p\u0159etrv\u00e1v\u00e1, a<br>pak vymiz\u00ed. Pro\u010d by ji \u010dlov\u011bk d\u00e1l produkoval, kdy\u017e mu nic nen\u00ed?<br>T-lymfocyty u\u017e ale maj\u00ed obtisknutou RNA viru \u010di bakterie a kdy\u017e se<br>znovu objev\u00ed, op\u011bt zprost\u0159edkuj\u00ed v\u00fdrobu protil\u00e1tek. Nech\u00e1pu, pro\u010d<br>tohle nikdo ne\u0159ekne (?!)\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JUDr. Ing. Miloslav Ludv\u00edk, MBA (\u0159editel Fakultn\u00ed nemocnice Motol): \u201eV<br>p\u00e1tek ve\u010der jsem se z\u00fa\u010dastnil videokonference v\u0161ech \u0159editel\u016f velk\u00fdch<br>nemocnic. Bylo n\u00e1s tam asi \u0161estn\u00e1ct z cel\u00e9 \u010cR a prob\u00edrali jsme na\u0161i<br>p\u0159ipravenost na p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00ed dny. V r\u00e1mci debaty se tak\u00e9 mluvilo o<br>kapacit\u00e1ch voln\u00fdch l\u016f\u017eek. Skoro ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s hl\u00e1sil po\u010det pacient\u016f s<br>Covidem-19. Bylo jich okolo 20 hospitalizovan\u00fdch. Po\u010det t\u011bch ve v\u00e1\u017en\u00e9m<br>stavu se pohyboval okolo 5. P\u0159itom t\u011bchto 16 velk\u00fdch nemocnic<br>disponuje tis\u00edci l\u016f\u017eky a v\u0161echny jsou p\u0159ipraveny br\u00e1t covidov\u00e9<br>pacienty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pro\u010d to p\u00ed\u0161u? Asi proto, \u017ee mus\u00ed zazn\u00edvat tak\u00e9 re\u00e1ln\u00e1 \u010d\u00edsla a ne jenom<br>katastrofick\u00e9 dojmy, kter\u00fdch je v\u0161ude okolo n\u00e1s plno. Znovu opakuji, a<br>\u0159ekl bych, \u017ee mezi \u0159editeli nemocnic je na tom shoda, \u010desk\u00e9<br>zdravotnictv\u00ed je opravdu robustn\u00ed, dobr\u00e9 a p\u0159ipraven\u00e9&#8230;Nikdo z n\u00e1s se<br>Covidu neboj\u00ed, ale v\u0161ichni p\u0159ed n\u00edm m\u00e1me respekt&#8230;Nebojme se, ale<br>chovejme se rozumn\u011b, u\u017e\u00edvejme si dne\u0161n\u00edch kr\u00e1sn\u00fdch slune\u010dn\u00fdch dn\u016f,<br>vitam\u00edn D je dobr\u00fdm pomocn\u00edkem v boji proti viru a hlavn\u011b v\u011b\u0159me, \u017ee to<br>zvl\u00e1dneme. Za \u010desk\u00e9 nemocnice V\u00e1m to mohu sl\u00edbit.&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MUDr. Hana Roh\u00e1\u010dov\u00e1, Ph.D (Klinika infek\u010dn\u00edch, parazit\u00e1rn\u00edch a<br>tropick\u00fdch nemoc\u00ed z Bulovky): &#8222;Obt\u00ed\u017ee poci\u0165uje asi 10% naka\u017een\u00fdch.<br>\u00damrtnost je st\u00e1le stejn\u011b n\u00edzk\u00e1 (max 1%, v re\u00e1lu asi i m\u00e9n\u011b). To m\u00e1 k<br>nemoci, kter\u00e1 \u00fadajn\u011b ohro\u017euje existenci lidstva, daleko&#8230;.&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prof. MUDr. Jan \u017daloud\u00edk (l\u00e9ka\u0159, sen\u00e1tor a m\u00edstop\u0159edseda V\u00fdboru pro<br>zdravotnictv\u00ed a soci\u00e1ln\u00ed politiku Sen\u00e1tu P\u010cR): \u201cMysl\u00edm ,\u017ee mus\u00edme<br>odli\u0161it zrno od plev. Zjistit kdo, jak, co a pro\u010d hl\u00e1s\u00e1 a nastavit si<br>norm\u00e1ln\u00ed medic\u00ednsk\u00e1 krit\u00e9ria na to, pro\u010d testujeme pozitivitu u<br>zdrav\u00fdch lid\u00ed?! Co testujeme? P\u0159\u00edtomnost aktivn\u00edho viru, neaktivn\u00edho<br>viru, kusu RNA? A v\u0161ude stejn\u011b? PCR kvantitativn\u011b s hodnocen\u00edm i<br>n\u00e1lo\u017ee viru? Nebo\u0165 ko\u0161\u00edk jablek a vag\u00f3n jablek jsou v\u00fdznamn\u011b r\u016fzn\u00e1<br>mno\u017estv\u00ed jablek, by\u0165 stejn\u00fdch.\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prof. RNDr. Ladislav Du\u0161ek, Ph.D.,(\u0159editel \u00dastavu zdravotnick\u00fdch<br>informac\u00ed a statistiky (\u00daZIS) a vedouc\u00ed Institutu biostatistiky a<br>anal\u00fdz na Masarykov\u011b univerzit\u011b v Brn\u011b): &#8222;Nechci to bagatelizovat, ale<br>je vlastn\u011b jedno, jestli m\u00e1me ka\u017ed\u00fd den pozitivn\u011b diagnostikovan\u00fdch<br>200, 500, nebo 600 lid\u00ed. A to proto, \u017ee drtiv\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161ina nyn\u00ed nov\u011b<br>diagnostikovan\u00fdch jsou lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed nemaj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edznaky nebo maj\u00ed jen<br>velmi lehk\u00fd pr\u016fb\u011bh nemoci. Vlastn\u011b se o nich d\u00e1 \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee nejsou<br>nemocn\u00ed.&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prof. MUDr. Tom\u00e1\u0161 Zima (rektor Karlovy univerzity v Praze): \u201cVad\u00ed mi<br>neust\u00e1l\u00e9 koronavirov\u00e9 stra\u0161en\u00ed&#8230; Hlavn\u011b nepanika\u0159it a vr\u00e1tit \u017eivot do<br>norm\u00e1ln\u00edch kolej\u00ed. Vir tu zkr\u00e1tka je a my se s n\u00edm mus\u00edme nau\u010dit \u017e\u00edt.<br>Ve\u0159ejnost by se m\u011bla zklidnit, nikoli b\u00fdt vystavena stra\u0161en\u00ed&#8230;.<br>Ur\u010dit\u011b si \u0159ekn\u011bme, \u017ee p\u0159ijdou onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, je\u017e budou m\u00edt stejn\u00e9<br>p\u0159\u00edznaky jako infekce SARS-CoV-2 nebo nemoc covid-19. Budete smrkat,<br>k\u00fdchat, budete m\u00edt m\u00edrnou teplotu. To s podzimn\u00edmi m\u011bs\u00edci prost\u011b<br>nast\u00e1v\u00e1 a v\u011bt\u0161inou se na tom tak\u00e9 pod\u00edlej\u00ed koronaviry, i kdy\u017e jin\u00e9ho<br>typu. Vypukne panika?!\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MUDr. Hana Zelen\u00e1, Ph.D. (virolo\u017eka, vedouc\u00ed odd\u011blen\u00ed mikrobiologie<br>n\u00e1rodn\u00ed ref. laborato\u0159e pro arboviry): &#8222;\u00dadaje o vyl\u00e9\u010den\u00fdch jsou<br>chybn\u00e9, \u010d\u00edsla nehraj\u00ed&#8230;. Kdy\u017e je n\u011bkdo vyl\u00e9\u010den\u00fd, tak p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1me,<br>\u017ee byl nemocn\u00fd&#8230;.. V\u011bt\u0161ina pozitivn\u011b testovan\u00fdch ale \u017e\u00e1dnou nemoc<br>nem\u011bla. Pozitivn\u00ed test nav\u00edc neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee jste naka\u017een\u00fd nebo<br>infek\u010dn\u00ed. Koronavirus se te\u010f chov\u00e1 jako kter\u00fdkoliv jin\u00fd respira\u010dn\u00ed<br>virus&#8230;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>O\u010dkovat bych se nenechala, nejsem p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010den\u00e1 o bezpe\u010dnosti vakc\u00edny,<br>je vyv\u00edjena pod velk\u00fdm tlakem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Takov\u00e1 je realita, vystra\u0161en\u00fd n\u00e1rod a co d\u00e1l?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;N\u00e1zor si ud\u011blejte ka\u017ed\u00fd s\u00e1m.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 Doc. MUDr. Martin Bal\u00edk, Ph.D ,(vedouc\u00ed l\u00e9ka\u0159 z Klinikyanesteziologie, resuscitace a intenzivn\u00ed medic\u00edny VFN a 1. LF v Praze)&#8222;Spole\u010dnost jsme \u0161\u00edlen\u011b vystra\u0161ili&#8230; Testujeme tis\u00edce lid\u00ed denn\u011b,stoj\u00ed to t\u0159i \u010dtvrt\u011b miliardy m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u011b a v\u00fdsledkem je 71 pacient\u016f vt\u011b\u017ek\u00e9m stavu. U n\u00e1s je jich \u0161est, maj\u00ed spoustu rizikov\u00fdch faktor\u016f,\u0159\u00edk\u00e1m tomu intenzivn\u00ed obezitologie&#8230; Ch\u0159ipka &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/?p=9910\" class=\"more-link\">Pokra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed textu <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Slova odborn\u00edk\u016f z nemocnic, jak\u00e9 to je u nich &#8211; kde je pravda?<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9910","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-zdravotni-informace"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9910","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9910"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9910\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9911,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9910\/revisions\/9911"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9910"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9910"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.podivinsky.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9910"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}